Question #1) In issue #3 of Double Room,
Ron Silliman suggests that it is erroneous to assume “that
a signature feature of the prose poem is its brevity.” He
calls this misguided assumption, Jacob’s fallacy, and he
further argues that considering the differences between the prose
poem and the flash fiction is “like
trying to identify the border between, say, Korean & Portuguese,
similar insofar as each is a language.” Do you agree with
Silliman’s assessment? In contrast, Ava Chin suggests that
she wrote flash fiction during a period when she was extremely
overworked: “their jarring method and brevity, their element
of surprise, lent themselves well to my shortened yet heightened
attention span.” Chin seems to suggest that the brevity aided
and enabled a new kind of invention for her. Do you think that
prose poetry and flash fiction do have some kind of compression
or brevity as a related characteristic? When you write in this
form, the pp/ff, do you place any space or length restrictions
on yourself?
I have to agree with Silliman because in general I have difficulty
in discerning any blanket
characteristics about prose poems that apply to all
prose poems. Personally, the reason I find I’m drawn
to this mode of writing is the shape of the poems on
the page. These “blocks” of text have such a
neatly-packed feeling---much like a stone wall. The
process, to belabor the metaphor, gives such immediate
satisfaction, much like the satisfaction of finding
several random stones that fit together well. This
visual characteristic allows for some aggressive play
with the white space of the page as well.
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I don’t personally impose any restrictions on myself
when operating in this mode. however, as with any
choice---of word or phrase or form---the choice leads
to a series of revelations or restrictions---perhaps
they are the same thing. I have no difficulty
imagining a four page prose poem…but I have a funny
feeling many people would consider it a short story…
Questions #2) The work of Eduardo Galeano, suggests Ray Gonzalez
in Double
Room #3, “challenges us to use language in fresh ways,
as we write brief prose, and says the writer of prose poetry and
flash fictions can be experimental while grasping the traditional
concerns of our time. This means his short-short prose rises above
any poetic school or dogma and shows what happens when a writer
truly lets go of ego, stance, and the need to jockey for position
within the genre.” Do you think that this notion of “letting
go of ego” is a function of the prose poem? How does this
stripping of the ego change the language of the poem? Is it a desirable
effect? Ginger Knowlton writes that a poem “has agency and
life,” and it tells you how it “wants to be read.” What
role does the ego—the lyric “I”—play in
your work, even if it means a total subversion of it? Can language
ever really be free of the ego? Is the prose poem/flash fiction
a form that lends itself to writing that is liberated from the
ego?
I admire Gonzalez’s idealism. Yet I can’t
fully agree with it. What he seems to address is the issue
of the pox-biz and how the prose poem can liberate us
from its clutches. If only.
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As to the issue of ego: I agree with Rosmarie Waldrop
when she says in her essay, “Thinking of Follows,” that “[y]our
concerns and obsessions will surface no matter what you do”---
a sentiment echoing Tristan Tzara’s exhortation that “[t]he
poem will resemble you.” My feelings exactly. Any piece of
writing comes from the self. Eliminating the ego seems like a pretty
futile endeavor, unless one is trying to achieve
Nirvana (in which case, there would be no need to
write poems). I’ve always thought of my own work as
striving to shun egocentrism (i.e. autobiographical
detail) but this too is virtually impossible. However,
I don’t think that the prose poem automatically
suggests that the writer has left his or her ego at
the door.
Question #3) Peter Richards recalls having
a bad reaction the first time he heard the term flash fiction.
He further
notes
that he is “suspicious of those efforts which seek to classify
literature according to a school, a movement, or worst of all an
aesthetic condition said to exist after Modernism.” Similarly,
Lisa Hargon-Smith feels “uncomfortable with the distinction
between a poem and a prose poem, fiction, walking, sitting, the
difference between one word and another and the difference between
how a poem is read out loud and how it looks on the page.” Do
you have similar discomforts and suspicions about this form? Richards
also suggests that genre designations like this are “restrictive
and promotional in nature.” Do you agree or is there something
about the flash fiction that you find liberating or provocative?
I too get suspicious when folks start bandying
about genre because most great writing ignores,
surpasses, blurs these classifications. That said, I
think the impulse behind the attempts to classify
arises from the fact that these chunks of
text---whether prose poem or flash fiction---exist in
a haze, floating somewhere between line breaks and
lack thereof. I know this is a bit overly simplistic
on my part…Biologically, the human mind seeks
patterns, and prose poems historically have created a
visual impression and now the time comes to ask: how
to articulate these patterns? After Modernism
literature fractured and pixilated into so many units
that the urge to classify is often/usually frustrated.
Historically, the prose poem is very young---much in
the same way the novel is. As a result, the most
radial pressure put on the genre has occurred fairly
recently. These radical shifts require our scrutiny,
not necessarily our classifying them.
Question #4) Lynn Kilpatrick writes: “poetry and
narrative are not opposed and that all writing is narrative in
the sense
that
once I put
two words next to each other a relationship begins to rise up between
them.” Do you agree? That is, to what extent do you think
all writing is always already narrative? In a somewhat similar
impulse, Stephen Ratcliffe suggests the following in relation to
Dorothy Wordsworth’s journals: “(it is) writing that
transcribes actual things/actions/events in the world as they were,
or seemed to be in that present moment of seeing/noting them. The
writing in REAL tries to do something of this 'translation' of
world into words.” To what extent is writing a narrative
of the ‘real’? That is, how are poetry and prose narratives
translations of the world? And, is Kilpatrick right in suggesting
that poetry and narrative are not as dialectical as some writers
seem to suggest?
I have to agree completely with Lynn…the term‘
narrative’ generally provokes an automatic response,
similar to that of hackle-raising. I prefer the term‘
translation’. My discomfort stems from the often-seen
polarity among poets of the narrative vs.
non-narrative camps. I am still waiting for a boxing
match. This could also explain some folk’s discomfort
with the term flash fiction---it seems that the
designation really comes from this: if one mostly
writes fiction, then these nebulous pieces one writes
must be flash fiction. If one is a poet and eschews
line breaks…
Question #5) Jamey Dunham states: “I
write prose poems because I believe the form of prose instinctively
lends itself to the techniques that most interest me in poetry.” What
poetic techniques do you find most interesting and instinctive
in the prose poem? Dunham further notes, “If one is to
pull off what Bly refers to as ‘leaping’ in a poem,
I think it is best to do so in a form that doesn’t accentuate
the penultimate step or point toward where it will land.” How
does the prose poem form enable this ambiguity that Dunham suggests.
For Laurel Snyder, “the process of crossing genres (i.e.
pp/ff)... changes the lens enough . . . (that it) feels really
productive. It changes the slant, the assumptions, the way the
work is read.” How does the pp/ff allow you to make this “leap” in
a way that remains ambiguous and allows you to subvert previous
assumptions?
I am definitely attracted to the
visual density of the prose poem---there’s so much potential
in those chunks of words! Instinctively, when I write in this
mode, I tend to write in a more linear
way---initially. But then the real fun starts and I
slowly eliminate what I see as unnecessary threads.
Then, a certain ambiguity surfaces. I don’t want
any of my poems to ‘land’. I prefer
to think of them as hovering. If this subverts any
assumptions,
then
I am
glad.
Question #6) “I like the invocation of the prose paragraph
by something that is not really prose,” writes Robert Urquhart.
He suggests that the prose poem is “like the hummingbird
moth’s eerie impersonation, or the sound of the carriages
of Frankfurt that Heidi mistook for the wind in the pines on her
mountain.” For Urquhart, “The string of words (in prose
poetry) calls in question the relations among them, where the line
asserts these.” This is a somewhat different take on the
prose poem, which is often associated with a subversion of both
prose and poetry, but not as much as a rupture or fragmentation
of syntax and word relation as poems with line breaks. Instead,
Urquhart seems to suggest that the prose poem calls into question
syntax and word relations more than verse. Karla Kelsey’s
response to this genre seems to enact the very suggestion Urquhart
makes: “Why is not a poem, it is the pause of the poem, the
slowing into connectors--in the prose poem the Why seeps into a
particular How of a particular form, turning the form into a logical
box that the sound the word the line exceeds.” In what ways
do you think the prose poem enables disrupted and ruptured syntax?
How does the prose poem call into question relations among words?
More than verse? I’m not so sure,
but the idea seems to hearken back to subverting form, syntax,
etc.
Because the prose poem looks like prose to some
degree, many readers will assume certain things. An
effective prose poem---or any effective poem---is
often a series of curve balls, a rapid series of “what
comes next?”
Question #7) Ron Silliman also argues that “A work without
genre makes no sense – not simply because the term is derived
from genus, the root for kind, but because to achieve such a state
a
work would
have to cancel out or erase its own sense of form & integrity
as it proceeded, constantly dissolving before the reader, & that
of itself would constitute its genre.” Can we have a writing
that is free from genre distinctions or would it constantly dissolve
for the reader in ways that Silliman suggests? That is, would even
this dissolution constitute a genre? Moreover, do you feel that
by writing prose poems or flash fictions you are consciously resisting
certain social divisions and hierarchies manifested in generic
literary distinctions? That is, does this form enable (perhaps
require) you to make a political statement about form and genre?
I’m completely with Silliman---any
poem worth its words should constantly recreate genre,
as well
as recreating itself, which would generate its
on genreless genre.
Bio:
Christopher Arigo’s first poetry collection, Lit interim,
won the Transcontinetal Poetry Prize (selected by David Bromige)
and was published by Pavement Saw Press (2003). His poems and poetry
reviews have appeared or are forthcoming in numerous
publications including Pleiedes, Fourteen Hills,
and Colorado Review.
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